Sunday, March 27, 2011

A follow up

John Venlet responded, again and as usual, stated with a clarity that I lack in my writing.

I am writing this as a clarification to the post below: My comment at JV's

".....I should have been more specific in my post about what I agreed with Karl Denniger in his post.
“I have long argued that the proper thing to do is make a decision on whether you should pay or intentionally default based on your personal circumstances, including the potential legal and financial repercussions.”
We (John and I) had both said as much the comments of the original post. And John does again above.
“Might this destabilize some banks?  It certainly might.  Is there anything wrong with that?  Not from where I sit.  The bank made the decision to loan the money knowing full well you might choose not to pay and if that happened they’d have to seize and resell the house.  The simple fact of the matter is that you entered into a contract, and that contract contains an “or else” provision if you don’t pay.  Choosing to have the “or else” happen is your right and if the bank didn’t like the odds on that they shouldn’t have made the loan in the first place.  The consequence of the decision to lend you money - whether good or bad - is entirely theirs.”
That was the crux of my argument in the comments of the original post.
“Furthermore the government had every opportunity and ability in 2008 and 2009 to take these institutions into receivership.  The bondholders would have been massacred.  So would have the stockholders.  So what?  That’s what failure is in a capitalist system - you fail, you go out of business, the bondholders and stockholders lose money.  Would “financial Armageddon” have ensued?  For whom?  For Blankfein and friends?  Yes, it would have.  How about for the community and regional banks that didn’t make bad loans and had solid balance sheets?  It would have been a business bonanza unlike any other.”
This is a fantastic point that I think is too often overlooked in our world today.
Warren at Coyoteblog made the point last week about how you cannot view the GM/Chrysler bailouts with out also looking at the material damage that happened to Ford.  Which is still by all appearance thriving while paying off the labor and plant costs they’ve always had....."

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